From info at mathgoodies.com Tue Jan 1 19:20:50 2002 From: info at mathgoodies.com (Gisele Glosser) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:39 2005 Subject: WebMath: The Math Goodies Newsletter Message-ID: <3C325240.A8062627@mathgoodies.com> The January 1st issue of The Math Goodies Newsletter went out to 16,569 members today. Get the latest math news, and site updates. For more information, and to join, visit: http://www.mathgoodies.com/newsletter/ Best wishes, Gisele Glosser -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Math Goodies % % Your Destination For Math Education! % % % % http://www.mathgoodies.com/ % % mailto:info@mathgoodies.com % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From bishopp at for.mat.bham.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 10:07:59 2002 From: bishopp at for.mat.bham.ac.uk (Pam Bishop) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:39 2005 Subject: WebMath: (Fwd) Automath 2002 Message-ID: <3C5FF54F.19613.CBDE06@localhost> The following meeting may be of interest to webmath subscribers: -----Original Message----- From: Fairouz Kamareddine Sent: 05 February 2002 13:20 Subject: Workshop on 35 years of Automating Mathematics Dear all, I believe the above workshop might be of interest to many people in your department? It is about web mathematics, formal mathematics, computer mathematics, Electronic libraries of mathematics, personalising mathematical books, etc. I hope some of the talks will be of interest to some of you. Please advertise the workshop to your department and to any mathematics department in the UK who you think might be interested. The details are as follows: Thirty Five years of Automath Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh Wednesday 10-Saturday 13 April 2002 First announcement and CALL FOR PAPERS URL: http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~fairouz/automath2002/ Regards fairouz ------- End of forwarded message ------- =============================================================== Pam Bishop, Assistant Director LTSN Maths, Stats & OR Network School of Mathematics and Statistics p.bishop@bham.ac.uk The University of Birmingham tel 0121-414 4800 Birmingham B15 2TT fax 0121-414 3389 The Maths, Stats & OR Network is part of the Learning and Teaching Support Network, which provides discipline-based support for learning and teaching in UK universities. 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Get the latest math news and site updates. For more information, and to join, visit: http://www.mathgoodies.com/newsletter/ Best wishes, Gisele Glosser ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at activemath.org Tue Mar 19 11:59:58 2002 From: paul at activemath.org (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:39 2005 Subject: WebMath: IAMC'2002 (7 July Lille, France) Message-ID: (apologies if you receive this announcement more than once) Internet Accessible Mathematical Computation a Workshop at ISSAC 2002 7 July 2002 Lille, France --------------------------------- C A L L F O R P A P E R S & S O F T W A R E D E M O S --------------------------------- The Internet Accessible Mathematical Computation 2002 workshop (IAMC 2002) is being co-organized by Norbert Kajler of Ecole des Mines de Paris (France), Erica Melis of DFKI Saarbr?cken (Germany), and Paul Wang of Kent State Univ. (USA). The workshop is part of ISSAC'02 (see http://www.lifl.fr/issac2002) and will involve invited talks, contributed papers, and software demonstrations. This is the third IAMC workshop. The first IAMC workshop was held on 28 July 1999 as part of ISSAC'99; the second IAMC workshop was held on 22 July 2001 as part of ISSAC'01. The workshop has received Medicis (France) and NSF (USA) support and is free for all ISSAC'02 participants. Everyone with an interest in the many aspects of making mathematical computation or information accessible on the Web/Internet is welcome to attend. Topics of the workshop include, but are not limited to: - Remote access to mathematical software over the Internet. - Encoding of mathematical expressions (including text-based encodings, for E-mail and HTML embedding, and binary-based encodings for efficient communication between scientific applications). - Interoperability between software that create/transform/display mathematical expressions (e.g. symbolic, numeric, graphics, text-processing packages) via ad hoc communication protocols and software architectures. - Web-based mathematics education. - Access and interoperability to mathematical knowledge bases. - Protocols, APIs, URL schemes, metadata, and other mechanisms for system interoperability and standardization. - Application of IAMC for practical purposes such as scientific publishing and archiving, distributed problem solving, ... CONTRIBUTED PAPERS : Authors are invited to send at least a one-page abstract in Postscript or PDF to the organizers by May 12, 2002. Submissions will be reviewed by the workshop organizers based on relevance to the workshop, originality, and scientific interest. Authors will be notified by E-mail around May 27 2002 so please include a contact E-mail address in the paper. The full-length paper (in postscript or PDF) is due June 27, 2002. ELECTRONIC PROCEEDINGS : The Workshop proceedings will be published on the Web and maintained by the Institute for Computational Mathematics (ICM), Kent State Univ. SYSTEM DEMONSTRATIONS : If you have an IAMC related system to demonstrate, please let us know as early as possible (by June 10, 2002), your name and affiliation, the name of the system(s) to demo, and your equipment requirement. We'll then announce all the demos on the IAMC website and make sure the local arrangements are made for your demo. IMPORTANT DATES : May 12, 2002 --- Deadline for submitting papers/abstracts May 27, 2002 --- Notification of acceptance and Call for Participation June 10, 2002 --- Deadline for submitting software demos June 27, 2002 --- Full-length paper due July 7, 2002 --- IAMC workshop WORKSHOP REGISTRATION : The IAMC Workshop is part of ISSAC'2002. Participants should register with the ISSAC'2002 conference and select the IAMC workshop. Altough we encourage everyone to attend the complete IAMC + ISSAC sessions, a reduced fee is available for those attending IAMC only. LUNCH : Sunday lunch will be available for IAMC participants at the conference center restaurant (cost: around 13 Euros). EMAIL ADDRESSES : Norbert Kajler (Ecole des Mines de Paris, France) -- kajler@cc.ensmp.fr Erica Melis (DFKI Saarbr?cken, Germany) -- melis@ags.uni-sb.de Paul S. Wang (ICM/Kent Univ., USA) -- pwang@mcs.kent.edu If you are interested please contact one of the organizers. Other details of this workshop will be forthcoming and will be available on both the ISSAC'02 official site and on SymbolicNet. IAMC URLs : http://www.SymbolicNet.org/conferences/iamc02 http://www.medicis.polytechnique.fr/symbolicnet/conferences/iamc02 ISSAC URL : http://www.lifl.fr/issac2002 ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Tue Mar 19 21:57:18 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fwd: ANN: MathPlayer is now in public beta Message-ID: Looks like math on the web is getting a little closer. June ____________________________________ >Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:38:59 -0800 (PST) >From: Paul Topping >To: "'w3c-math-wg@w3.org'" , > "'mozilla-mathml@mozilla.org'" , > "'www-math@w3.org'" >Subject: ANN: MathPlayer is now in public beta >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:34:09 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Resent-From: mozilla-mathml@mozilla.org >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2685 >X-Loop: mozilla-mathml@mozilla.org >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: mozilla-mathml-request@mozilla.org > >Hi, > >MathPlayer, our high-performance MathML display engine for Microsoft's >Internet Explorer browser, is now available for free download at >http://www.dessci.com/webmath/mathplayer. > >After a few months in private beta, MathPlayer is ready to go public. We >call our current release of MathPlayer, "beta 3". We expect to announce the >final release of MathPlayer 1.0 at the MathML Conference in Chicago, June >28-30, 2002 (http://www.mathmlconference.org/2002). From now until that >time, we encourage you to download MathPlayer and try it out. We look >forward to your feedback. > >Together with Mozilla and its built-in MathML support, and the Universal >MathML Style Sheet soon to be available at the W3C Math site >(http://www.w3.org/Math), the availability of MathPlayer makes MathML a >viable and useful vehicle for putting math on the web. > >Design Science is making MathPlayer available for free download (in exchange >for an email address only) in order to help ensure the success of MathML in >the marketplace. We also plan to offer MathPlayer as a licensable component >for inclusion in web- and CDROM-based commercial products (e.g. distance >learning systems, textbook supplementary software packages) and for >situations in which it is desirable for it to be pre-installed (e.g. school >computer labs without Internet access). > >Design Science also offers several products that aid in the creation of >MathML content: > >WebEQ --- our collection of software tools for adding dynamic math to web >pages, including our WebEQ Editor for authoring MathML and WebEQ Input >Control for enabling math input in web pages. > >MathType --- the professional version of the Equation Editor that comes with >Microsoft Office includes our MathPage technology for converting a Word >document containing math to a web page with MathML. > >Visit our web site at http://www.dessci.com to learn more about these >products. You can read the full text of our press release at >http://www.dessci.com/company/press/releases/mar02.stm. > >Paul Topping > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Paul Topping email: pault@dessci.com >President phone: 562-433-0685 > http://www.dessci.com >Design Science, Inc. >"How Science Communicates" >MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, Equation Editor, TeXaide >---------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Wed Mar 20 13:28:29 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fwd: XSL Stylesheet for Cross Browser MathML viewing Message-ID: This in today's email: ... >From: David Carlisle >To: om-announce@openmath.org >Subject: [om-a] XSL Stylesheet for Cross Browser MathML viewing ... > > >I am pleased to be able to announce the first public release of a >stylesheet enabling the support of MathML in a variety of browsers. > >Further details are available at the URI: > >http://www.w3.org/Math/XSL/ > >The stylesheet allows conforming XHTML+MathML documents to be >rendered, without changing the document, in a range of browsers. > >Basically the stylesheet detects the environment in which it is running and >inserts any , or other browser-specific markup required. >If only presentation MathML rendering is available, it performs a >Content to Presentation transformation before passing the document to >the rendering engine. > >This allows the document to be authored in a browser-independent >style. > >Comments on the stylesheet are welcomed, and should be sent to the public >MathML list: www-math@w3.org > > >David Carlisle > >_____________________________________________________________________ >This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet >delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further >information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call >Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. >-- >om-announce@openmath.org - public announcements concerning OpenMath >Post discussion to om@openmath.org >Automatic list maintenance software at majordomo@openmath.org >Mail om-announce-owner@openmath.org for assistance with any problems > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From info at mathgoodies.com Mon Apr 1 09:00:58 2002 From: info at mathgoodies.com (Gisele Glosser) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: Math Awareness Month Message-ID: <3CA86810.BD505BFF@mathgoodies.com> April is Math Awareness Month, a time to promote the importance of math in daily life. This year's theme is Mathematics and the Genome. Medical researchers use mathematics to analyze data in their studies of genetics and DNA. This leads to a strong connection between math and biology. Each year, Math Goodies celebrates MAM by providing activities and resources related to the MAM theme. This year, students can go on a Webquest, researching this topic with the links we have provided, and then completing our puzzles. For more information, read our Press Release at: http://www.mathgoodies.com/press/mam2002.html Gisele Glosser -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Math Goodies % % Your Destination For Math Education! % % % % http://www.mathgoodies.com/ % % mailto:info@mathgoodies.com % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From gisele.glosser at verizon.net Mon Apr 8 12:10:40 2002 From: gisele.glosser at verizon.net (Gisele Glosser) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: What's New at Math Goodies Message-ID: <3CB1C0FC.D62F3696@verizon.net> Math Goodies is a free math help site with over 400 pages of activities for students, teachers, and parents. Below are all the new goodies we have added to our site this month. --April is Math Awareness Month, a time to promote the importance of math in our daily lives. This year's theme is Mathematics and the Genome. We are celebrating MAM by providing puzzles and links. For more information, read our Press Release at: http://www.mathgoodies.com/press/mam2002.html --By popular demand, we have expanded our collection of Worksheets! http://www.mathgoodies.com/worksheets/ --We have updated our Recommended Math Software Page. http://www.mathgoodies.com/software/ --A new student forum called Frequently Asked Homework Questions has been created in order to make things easier on our Forum Community. http://www.mathgoodies.com/forums/ --We have published the results of our Survey from last spring. http://www.mathgoodies.com/survey/ --Please take our new Homeschool Poll at this page: http://www.mathgoodies.com/homeschool/ Hope you can drop by and visit us! 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For more information, and to join, visit: http://www.mathgoodies.com/newsletter/ Best wishes, Gisele Glosser -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Math Goodies % % Your Destination For Math Education! % % % % http://www.mathgoodies.com/ % % mailto:info@mathgoodies.com % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Wed May 15 22:43:47 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: Please support MathML in Netscape Message-ID: WebMathers - When I started this list a few years back, it was with the anticipation that, in a relatively short time, we'd have MathML implemented in browsers and we'd all be busy generating all sorts of interesting mathematical content for the web. Needless to say, it's taking a tad longer than expected (a big tad), but between the efforts of the Design Science folks with IE and the Mozilla MathML folks on the other side, it looks like we may finally be getting somewhere. The present issue: Netscape is considering whether or not to include support for MathML in the next release, and is soliciting opinions. Robert Miner has mad a post explaining the background of this issue at . Please read the post and then send your opinion to Dave Barrowman at Netscape . And then cross your fingers, and turn around three times, and ... Cheers June ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From info at mathgoodies.com Fri May 31 09:51:29 2002 From: info at mathgoodies.com (Gisele Glosser) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: The Math Goodies Newsletter Message-ID: <3CF77FE1.DB7DFE30@mathgoodies.com> The June 1 issue of The Math Goodies Newsletter went out to 18,665 members today. Get the latest math news, events and site updates. For more information, and to join, visit: http://www.mathgoodies.com/newsletter/ Best wishes, Gisele Glosser -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Math Goodies % % Your Destination For Math Education! % % % % http://www.mathgoodies.com/ % % mailto:info@mathgoodies.com % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From bishopp at for.mat.bham.ac.uk Fri May 31 10:00:27 2002 From: bishopp at for.mat.bham.ac.uk (Pam Bishop) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML in Netscape 7.0 Preview Release 1 Message-ID: <3CF7900B.1751.137719F@localhost> The new Netscape 7.0 Preview Release 1 contains support for MathML. You can download it from http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/7/download.jsp If you like it, follow the feedback link and let them know - Pam =============================================================== Pam Bishop, Assistant Director LTSN Maths, Stats & OR Network School of Mathematics and Statistics p.bishop@bham.ac.uk The University of Birmingham tel 0121-414 4800 Birmingham B15 2TT fax 0121-414 3389 The Maths, Stats & OR Network is part of the Learning and Teaching Support Network, which provides discipline-based support for learning and teaching in UK universities. More information can be found at http://ltsn.mathstore.ac.uk =============================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From efto1 at webtv.net Fri May 31 10:15:44 2002 From: efto1 at webtv.net (Albert Brent Franklin) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fingermath International Message-ID: <23788-3CF78590-2920@storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net> Do you have books and study plans for Fingermath and Fingermath International? Albert Brent Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at activemath.org Sat Jun 1 09:45:03 2002 From: paul at activemath.org (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML in Netscape 7.0 Preview Release 1 In-Reply-To: <3CF7900B.1751.137719F@localhost> Message-ID: Looks interesting, do you know the platforms where MathML is supported ? Paul On Vendredi, mai 31, 2002, at 04:00 PM, Pam Bishop wrote: > The new Netscape 7.0 Preview Release 1 contains support for MathML. You > can > download it from http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/7/download.jsp > > If you like it, follow the feedback link and let them know - Pam ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From msharma at idea.cambridge.edu Mon Jun 3 17:16:42 2002 From: msharma at idea.cambridge.edu (Mahesh Sharma) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fingermath International In-Reply-To: <23788-3CF78590-2920@storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: The Center for Teaching/Learning of Mathematics published a book on fingermath. It is available from the Center. Attached please find the list of publications from the Center. Mahesh Sharma Provost and Executive Vice President Cambridge College 1000 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02138 (617) 873 - 0211 (617) 876 - 2663 (fax) > From: efto1@webtv.net (Albert Brent Franklin) > Reply-To: webmath@camel.math.ca > Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:15:44 -0700 (PDT) > To: WebMath@camel.math.ca > Subject: WebMath: Fingermath International > > Do you have books and study plans for Fingermath and Fingermath > International? > > Albert Brent Franklin > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List > To unsubscribe: > via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl > via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with > "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message > List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike Richardson +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dr. Michael Gerard RICHARDSON | | | | Numerical Algorithms Group Ltd. | | Wilkinson House Email: miker@nag.co.uk | | Jordan Hill Road Telephone: 01865 511245 | | Oxford, OX2 8DR, UK Fax: 01865 310139 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. 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My guesses is that the Mach-O version might come with one when the evil "Implement GetBoundingMetrics on Mac" bug is solved. Paul On Jeudi, juin 6, 2002, at 01:53 PM, Michael Gerard Richardson wrote: > In case anyone isn't aware of it, the first full release of the > Mozilla browser has just been announced... and it supports MathML. > > Go to http://mozilla.org for more details. > > Mike Richardson ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Thu Jun 13 16:43:50 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:40 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML Conference Message-ID: Webmathers: a news item from Patrick Ion re the mathML conference (I'm going). 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I understood (from those that set this list up initially) that non-members couldn't post here. It's a holiday here (Canada Day), but I'll check on it as soon as I can. 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Albert Brent Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Mon Jul 1 23:05:07 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:41 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML conf. report Message-ID: Folks - I'm just back from the MathML conference (abstracts/papers at ). Overall impressions (from my non-techie end user's viewpoint): mixed. More technical than the 2000 conference and less end-user oriented (both presentations and participants). Some interesting tools, most notably Wolfram's WebMathematica server . Some indications that MathML may be becoming more an academic research area and less a technical/applied one. The most interesting presentation (from my design-focussed point of view): Robert Miner's A Dynamic Math Object Model , exploring what we actually want to *do* with intractive online math text once we have it. (A participant comment: "Robert is one of the few people who actually *get* it".) The claim that "MathML is here" is a bit premature. It's here in that the major browsers will display it (natively in Netscape and Mozilla, with help from Design Science's MathPlayer in IE), but authors must link to a "universal stylesheet" to detect browser/platform and provide the appropriate individual markup. Most of this is pretty recent; expect bugs and fiddle time. If you want Mac users to be able to read your stuff, you're still out of luck: the style sheet doesn't include Mac browsers and there didn't appear to be much interest from those involved in *making* it include Mac browsers. (I asked. However, rumour has it that Mac-friendly Wolfram may take on the task. Also, there's now an early third-party Mac version of the W3C browser Amaya , which displays MathML and allows editing.) The moral? If you need MathML badly enough and/or want to get a head start (e.g. for major online publishing or education initiatives), accept that there'll inevitably be a lot of tweaking to do and go for it. If you're a non-techie individual looking to put up a few pages for students or something similar, stick with PDF or other simpler technologies for a bit until stability and authoring are no longer issues. IMHO. Cheers June ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From davidc at nag.co.uk Tue Jul 2 18:21:48 2002 From: davidc at nag.co.uk (David Carlisle) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:41 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML conf. report In-Reply-To: (message from June Lester on Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:05:07 -0700) References: Message-ID: <200207022221.XAA30029@penguin.nag.co.uk> > I'm just back from the MathML conference ditto:-) > If you want Mac users > to be able to read your stuff, you're still out of luck: the style sheet > doesn't include Mac browsers and there didn't appear to be much interest > from those involved in *making* it include Mac browsers. Just one clarification here. I am _very_ interested in making this work on the Mac but the stylesheet itself doesn't do anything to render MathML, it just chooses an available rendering system that it can detect. In the case of the Mac my understanding is that there is not currently anything that really works well, so there's nothing the stylesheet can do. I know there has been a lot of interest getting mozilla for mathml on the mac, and design science who make the mathplayer mathml extension for IE have a public page saying they would like to have a mac version of MathPlayer but the Mac version of IE does not have the interfaces needed, so a Mac MathPlayer would require a new version of IE for teh Mac from Microsoft. I don't personally have easy access to a Mac (and, as I said in response to your question at the meeting, I've never used one) but if _anyone_ does know of (or can help produce) a good plan for mathml on the mac the working grouop would certainly be pleased to promote that, and if it can be integrated with the XSLT stylesheet to work in a cross platform way I'm more than happy to add whatever's needed... However at the last MML conference 18 months ago, MathML couldn't be easily be rendered in standard versions of any "standard" browser on any platform although it was available in special mathml-builds of mozilla, and in Amaya. Now at this MathML conference if you are on windows or unix then all you need have is the latest version of internet explorer, netscape, mozilla, and amaya, and you can easily view mathml documents. I hope that we can be pleased with this progress even if the Mac is lagging behind. David _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. 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Greig Fratus MathGate Manager http://www.mathgate.ac.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: David Carlisle [mailto:davidc@nag.co.uk] Sent: 02 July 2002 23:22 To: webmath@camel.math.ca Subject: Re: WebMath: MathML conf. report > I'm just back from the MathML conference ditto:-) > If you want Mac users > to be able to read your stuff, you're still out of luck: the style sheet > doesn't include Mac browsers and there didn't appear to be much interest > from those involved in *making* it include Mac browsers. Just one clarification here. I am _very_ interested in making this work on the Mac but the stylesheet itself doesn't do anything to render MathML, it just chooses an available rendering system that it can detect. In the case of the Mac my understanding is that there is not currently anything that really works well, so there's nothing the stylesheet can do. I know there has been a lot of interest getting mozilla for mathml on the mac, and design science who make the mathplayer mathml extension for IE have a public page saying they would like to have a mac version of MathPlayer but the Mac version of IE does not have the interfaces needed, so a Mac MathPlayer would require a new version of IE for teh Mac from Microsoft. I don't personally have easy access to a Mac (and, as I said in response to your question at the meeting, I've never used one) but if _anyone_ does know of (or can help produce) a good plan for mathml on the mac the working grouop would certainly be pleased to promote that, and if it can be integrated with the XSLT stylesheet to work in a cross platform way I'm more than happy to add whatever's needed... However at the last MML conference 18 months ago, MathML couldn't be easily be rendered in standard versions of any "standard" browser on any platform although it was available in special mathml-builds of mozilla, and in Amaya. Now at this MathML conference if you are on windows or unix then all you need have is the latest version of internet explorer, netscape, mozilla, and amaya, and you can easily view mathml documents. I hope that we can be pleased with this progress even if the Mac is lagging behind. David _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. 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Looks like fun. Would be interested > to know what people think. Greig - thanks for drawing my attention to this. Have now listed it on my MathML pages at http://ltsn.mathstore.ac.uk/mathml/index.shtml - Pam =============================================================== Pam Bishop, Assistant Director LTSN Maths, Stats & OR Network School of Mathematics and Statistics p.bishop@bham.ac.uk The University of Birmingham tel 0121-414 4800 Birmingham B15 2TT fax 0121-414 3389 The Maths, Stats & OR Network is part of the Learning and Teaching Support Network, which provides discipline-based support for learning and teaching in UK universities. More information can be found at http://ltsn.mathstore.ac.uk =============================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From akelm at cms.math.ca Thu Jul 4 14:09:51 2002 From: akelm at cms.math.ca (Alan Kelm) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:41 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML conf. report Message-ID: <200207041809.OAA04869@cms.mathsoc.uottawa.ca> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:45:18 +0200 Subject: Re: WebMath: MathML conf. report Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Paul Libbrecht To: webmath@camel.math.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200207022221.XAA30029@penguin.nag.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) On Mercredi, juillet 3, 2002, at 12:21 , David Carlisle wrote: > I know there has been a lot of interest getting mozilla for mathml on > the mac, and design science who make the mathplayer mathml extension for > IE have a public page saying they would like to have a mac version of > MathPlayer but the Mac version of IE does not have the interfaces > needed, so a Mac MathPlayer would require a new version of IE for teh > Mac from Microsoft. Well, indeed, it's not going to come I fear as it is this ActiveX technology which is, in essence, a complete security disaster where MacOSX developments tend to care a lot about security. > I don't personally have easy access to a Mac (and, as I said in response > to your question at the meeting, I've never used one) but if _anyone_ > does know of (or can help produce) a good plan for mathml on the mac the > working grouop would certainly be pleased to promote that, and if it can > be integrated with the XSLT stylesheet to work in a cross platform way > I'm more than happy to add whatever's needed... As far as I know there is: -> a poor (i.e. withou font metrics) port that has worked some time ago on special Mozilla Mach-O builds (the Riscky Mozilla), it may or may not include MathML in current releases, I did not check. However, for a proper rendering, there are two major bugs: Bug 107146 - "ucvmath not working with Fizzilla" (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107146) Bug 74821 - "Implement GetBoundingMetrics() on the Mac" (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74821). The latter is the hard part, for a good implementation, only ATSUI is the good technology and its brand new and pretty hard to master (BBEdit didn't manage it yet...). It will bring complete Unicode metrics however (which Linux does very badly, e.g. for russian characters). (several other bugs exist about MacOS implementation of MathML) -> Amaya under XWindows (requiring some work in terms of installation, and giving the poor user-experience of Amaya) > However at the last MML conference 18 months ago, MathML couldn't be > easily be rendered in standard versions of any "standard" browser on any > platform although it was available in special mathml-builds of mozilla, > and > in Amaya. Now at this MathML conference if you are on windows > or unix then all you need have is the latest version of internet > explorer, netscape, mozilla, and amaya, and you can easily view mathml > documents. I hope that we can be pleased with this progress even if > the Mac is lagging behind. We all hope it's going to happen, presumably on Mozilla, but the Mac community is sufficiently small that its intersection with the Math community is very small. Plus, on MacOSX, there's three implementations of Mozilla: Carbon Mozilla (slow network, good graphics), Mach-O Mozilla (fast network, good graphics, not-mature), Chimera (Cocoa-based, not a complete Mozilla (e.g. no XUL, no sidebar), but good graphics and good network, very fast) A central community effort is really needed, I guess. Paul --AAA699647.1025766246/camel.math.ca-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Thu Jul 4 15:51:04 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:41 2005 Subject: WebMath: only members can post Message-ID: Folks - the WebMath list has now been set to accept posts only from list members. If you've changed addresses and currently forward WebMath from your previous address, this may cause problems when you try to post from your new address. If this is an issue, you can unsubscribe and resubscribe your new address at http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl Cheers June ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Thu Jul 4 20:15:42 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:41 2005 Subject: MathML support in Mac browsers Message-ID: >Message-ID: <46566A3075DDD311969100E0811031ECAF49AE@euclid.dessci> >From: Paul Topping >To: "'Alan Kelm'" >Cc: "'webmath@camel.math.ca'" >Subject: RE: MathML support in Mac browsers >Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:58:05 -0700 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > >Dear Paul, > >There was discussion at the MathML Conference on finishing the MathML >implementation of Mac Mozilla (and, therefore, Mac Netscape). The situation >as it now stands is that Wolfram Research (Mathematica) will try to do the >work. Failing that, my company has offered to try to get it done, all with >support from Roger Sidje, the original implementor of MathML in Mozilla. I >think this means it will get done in the next 3 months. It may take longer >to get into Mac Netscape since it has to go through their release process. > >As far as implementing our MathPlayer plugin within Mac Internet Explorer, >it is still my hope that Microsoft can be persuaded to support the needed >interfaces in a future upgrade. A longer statement of my company's position >can be found at http://www.dessci.com/webmath/mathplayer/mac.stm. > >I believe your comments associating ActiveX with security concerns don't >stand up to scrutiny. ActiveX is a protocol for extending Internet Explorer. >If there is a security issue, it is the possibility of downloading bad >software and installing it on your computer. This is independent of the >technology used to connect the browser with the software. As with any kind >of computer and any kind of browser, if you can get a user to download, >install, and run bad software, there is a vulnerability. > >Paul Topping > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Paul Topping email: pault@dessci.com >President phone: 562-433-0685 > http://www.dessci.com >Design Science, Inc. >"How Science Communicates" >MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, Equation Editor, TeXaide >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alan Kelm [mailto:akelm@cms.math.ca] >> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 11:10 AM >> Subject: >> >> >> Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch >> [194.158.230.8]) >> by camel.math.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA700089 >> for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:03:53 >> -0700 (PDT) >> Received: from cs246.wave.uni-sb.de ([62.167.253.146]) >> by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux >> 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id g6473cn23464 >> for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:03:44 +0200 >> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:45:18 +0200 >> Subject: Re: WebMath: MathML conf. report >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) >> From: Paul Libbrecht >> To: webmath@camel.math.ca >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> In-Reply-To: <200207022221.XAA30029@penguin.nag.co.uk> >> Message-Id: >> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) >> >> >> On Mercredi, juillet 3, 2002, at 12:21 , David Carlisle wrote: >> > I know there has been a lot of interest getting mozilla for >> mathml on >> > the mac, and design science who make the mathplayer mathml >> extension >> > for IE have a public page saying they would like to have a >> mac version >> > of MathPlayer but the Mac version of IE does not have the >> interfaces >> > needed, so a Mac MathPlayer would require a new version of >> IE for teh >> > Mac from Microsoft. >> >> Well, indeed, it's not going to come I fear as it is this ActiveX >> technology which is, in essence, a complete security disaster where >> MacOSX developments tend to care a lot about security. >> >> > I don't personally have easy access to a Mac (and, as I said in >> > response to your question at the meeting, I've never used >> one) but if >> > _anyone_ does know of (or can help produce) a good plan for >> mathml on >> > the mac the working grouop would certainly be pleased to >> promote that, >> > and if it can be integrated with the XSLT stylesheet to work in a >> > cross platform way I'm more than happy to add whatever's needed... >> >> As far as I know there is: >> -> a poor (i.e. withou font metrics) port that has worked >> some time ago >> on special Mozilla Mach-O builds (the Riscky Mozilla), it may >> or may not >> include MathML in current releases, I did not check. However, for a >> proper rendering, there are two major bugs: Bug 107146 - "ucvmath not >> working with Fizzilla" >> (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107146) >> Bug 74821 - "Implement GetBoundingMetrics() on the Mac" >> (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74821). >> The latter is the hard part, for a good implementation, only ATSUI is >> the good technology and its brand new and pretty hard to >> master (BBEdit >> didn't manage it yet...). It will bring complete Unicode >> metrics however >> (which Linux does very badly, e.g. for russian characters). >> (several other bugs exist about MacOS implementation of MathML) >> >> -> Amaya under XWindows (requiring some work in terms of installation, >> and giving the poor user-experience of Amaya) >> >> > However at the last MML conference 18 months ago, MathML couldn't be >> > easily be rendered in standard versions of any "standard" >> browser on any >> > platform although it was available in special mathml-builds >> of mozilla, >> > and >> > in Amaya. Now at this MathML conference if you are on windows >> > or unix then all you need have is the latest version of internet >> > explorer, netscape, mozilla, and amaya, and you can easily >> view mathml >> > documents. I hope that we can be pleased with this progress even if >> > the Mac is lagging behind. >> >> We all hope it's going to happen, presumably on Mozilla, but the Mac >> community is sufficiently small that its intersection with the Math >> community is very small. Plus, on MacOSX, there's three >> implementations >> of Mozilla: Carbon Mozilla (slow network, good graphics), >> Mach-O Mozilla >> (fast network, good graphics, not-mature), Chimera >> (Cocoa-based, not a >> complete Mozilla (e.g. no XUL, no sidebar), but good graphics >> and good >> network, very fast) >> >> A central community effort is really needed, I guess. >> >> Paul >> >> >> --AAA699647.1025766246/camel.math.ca-- >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List >> To unsubscribe: >> via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl >> via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with >> "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message >> List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From CHADM1 at UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Mon Jul 8 13:38:00 2002 From: CHADM1 at UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU (Carl David) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:41 2005 Subject: WebMath: TechWiki Message-ID: <200207081740.KAA733575@camel.math.ca> It may be of interest to members of the technical community who need to exchange information with students and/or colleagues that there are several schemes available on the WWW for doing this. 1) http://chemadm.chem.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/sci-talk.cgi This is a scheme for chatting 2) http://mosy.chem.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/techwiki.cgi 3) http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~cdavid/cgi-bin/techwiki.pl these latter two are schemes for asynchronously discussing mathematics based materials. The latter operates using "natural math" while the former uses LateX2HTML. You criticisms and suggestions would be gratefully accepted, and of course, you are free to use any of these as you see fit in either classes or research. Carl W. David Department of Chemistry U-60 rm. A409 voice (860) 486-3217 fax (860) 486-2981 e-mail david@uconnvm.uconn.edu freshman chemistry http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~chem12x/ physical chemistry http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~cdavid/chem263.html Message-Id: <020708.133903.EDT.CHADM1@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> quantum chemistry http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~ch351vc/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Mon Jul 8 16:04:04 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:41 2005 Subject: WebMath: review of the MathML conference Message-ID: Members of this list might be interested in a review of the MathML conference by Max Froumentin: http://www.w3.org/People/maxf/papers/mathmlconf.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From sgoodall at umuc.edu Tue Jul 9 09:24:38 2002 From: sgoodall at umuc.edu (Sharon Goodall) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:41 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML conf. report References: Message-ID: <3D2AE415.7872F526@umuc.edu> Many thanks to all who have shared reviews of the recent MathML conference. The information has been very valuable to me! -Sharon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sgoodall.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 338 bytes Desc: Card for Sharon Goodall Url : https://mail.cms.math.ca/pipermail/webmath/attachments/20020709/54d685ac/sgoodall.vcf From alzurug at gactr.uga.edu Tue Jul 9 11:33:40 2002 From: alzurug at gactr.uga.edu (Guillermo Alzuru) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:41 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML conf. report References: <3D2AE415.7872F526@umuc.edu> Message-ID: <3D2B0254.560EC64A@gactr.uga.edu> I would like to second that...thanks! Guillermo Sharon Goodall wrote: > Many thanks to all who have shared reviews of the recent MathML conference. > The information has been very valuable to me! > > -Sharon -- Guillermo Alzuru Web Instructional Development University of Georgia Center for Continuing Education, # 194D Athens, GA 30602 Ph: (706) 542-4476 - Fax: (706) 542-6720 ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Tue Jul 9 12:51:26 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML conf. report Message-ID: >From: "Lyn Leventhall" >Organization: Kingston University >To: webmath@camel.math.ca >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:08:50 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: WebMath: MathML conf. report >Reply-to: ku02576@kingston.ac.uk >Message-ID: <3D2B18A0.9973.1DBDA7C@localhost> >In-reply-to: <3D2B0254.560EC64A@gactr.uga.edu> >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) > >I to would like to thank those who shared with us their experiences. >I am researching into mathematics in computer mediated communications >and these conference papers have been most useful. >Lyn >__ > >On 9 Jul 2002, at 11:33, Guillermo Alzuru wrote: > >> I would like to second that...thanks! >> >> Guillermo >> >> Sharon Goodall wrote: >> >> > Many thanks to all who have shared reviews of the recent MathML >>conference. >> > The information has been very valuable to me! >> > >> > -Sharon >> >> -- >> Guillermo Alzuru >> Web Instructional Development >> University of Georgia Center for Continuing Education, # 194D >> Athens, GA 30602 >> Ph: (706) 542-4476 - Fax: (706) 542-6720 >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List >> To unsubscribe: >> via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl >> via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with >> "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message >> List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >---------------------------------- > >email: l.leventhall@Kingston.ac.uk >tel: 020 8547 2000 ext: 2838 >address: > >Lyn Leventhall >Researcher >Learning Technologies Research Group >School of Computing and Information Systems >Faculty of Technology >Kingston University >Penrhyn Road >Kingston upon Thames >Surrey KT1 2EE >UK > >-- The views expressed in this message are personal ones and are not >necessarily those of Kingston University -- >-- If you received this message in error please treat the contents as >confidential and inform the sender -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From davidc at nag.co.uk Fri Jul 12 18:54:02 2002 From: davidc at nag.co.uk (David Carlisle) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: MathML on the Mac - helpwanted In-Reply-To: <200207041809.OAA04869@cms.mathsoc.uottawa.ca> (message from Alan Kelm on Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:09:51 -0400) References: <200207041809.OAA04869@cms.mathsoc.uottawa.ca> Message-ID: <200207122254.XAA30785@penguin.nag.co.uk> Re MathML on the Mac, Roger just posted this ... David X-VirusChecked: Checked Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:10:49 +1000 From: "Roger B. Sidje" X-Accept-Language: en To: mozilla-mathml@mozilla.org Subject: MathML on the Mac - helpwanted Resent-From: mozilla-mathml@mozilla.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2815 X-Loop: mozilla-mathml@mozilla.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: mozilla-mathml-request@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 680 There is an activity going on in bug 74821 toward implementing the missing API that prevents the enabling of MathML on Mac platforms. If you can help in anyway (e.g., try out the patch if you have a build environment for the mac), feel free to go to the bug to lend your help... http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74821 --- RBS _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From bishopp at for.mat.bham.ac.uk Mon Jul 22 06:39:07 2002 From: bishopp at for.mat.bham.ac.uk (Pam Bishop) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? Message-ID: <3D3BEEDB.20398.2E7A80@localhost> Is there an international standard in notation for negative numbers? One enquirer has asked: "Personally, I have been brought up differentiating between 'negative seven' and 'subtract seven' through the former being a 'raised' sign compared with the subtraction sign. However, is this 'standard' world-wide or is there no agreed standard? I note on several web sites that often a raised sign is not used for 'negative' and a 'subtraction' sign is used instead. However, I don't know whether that is because that is standard in that country or whether they are just being 'lazy' (also, of course, the issue of computers may make people not bother using a raised sign as it is not as easy to produce on a computer as a standard subtraction sign). Of course, it may well be the case that there is no standard at all." Comments welcome - Pam =============================================================== Pam Bishop, Assistant Director LTSN Maths, Stats & OR Network School of Mathematics and Statistics p.bishop@bham.ac.uk The University of Birmingham tel 0121-414 4800 Birmingham B15 2TT fax 0121-414 3389 The Maths, Stats & OR Network is part of the Learning and Teaching Support Network, which provides discipline-based support for learning and teaching in UK universities. More information can be found at http://ltsn.mathstore.ac.uk =============================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From miker at nag.co.uk Mon Jul 22 07:02:41 2002 From: miker at nag.co.uk (Michael Gerard Richardson) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? In-Reply-To: <3D3BEEDB.20398.2E7A80@localhost> from "Pam Bishop" at Jul 22, 2002 11:39:07 AM Message-ID: <200207221102.MAA23235@buckworth.nag.co.uk> In my experience the "unraised" subtraction sign is the standard worldwide for both the the unary operation described by your enquirer as "negative" and the binary operation "subtraction" - the "raised minus" being used in some elementary discourses where the double use of the "ordinary" minus might be considered confusing to students. Mike Richardson _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From S.J.Johnston-Wilder at open.ac.uk Mon Jul 22 07:23:20 2002 From: S.J.Johnston-Wilder at open.ac.uk (S.J.Johnston-Wilder@open.ac.uk) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? Message-ID: The UK national curriculum documents use the same sign for both. This appears to cause confusion in many cases. Many calculators distinguish by using (-) for negative and users seem to find this helpful. Sue JW Sue Johnston-Wilder Centre for Mathematics Education The Open University Walton Hall Milton Keynes MK7 6AA Tel: 01908 652324 -----Original Message----- From: Pam Bishop [mailto:bishopp@for.mat.bham.ac.uk] Sent: 22 July 2002 11:39 To: webmath@camel.math.ca Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? Is there an international standard in notation for negative numbers? One enquirer has asked: "Personally, I have been brought up differentiating between 'negative seven' and 'subtract seven' through the former being a 'raised' sign compared with the subtraction sign. However, is this 'standard' world-wide or is there no agreed standard? I note on several web sites that often a raised sign is not used for 'negative' and a 'subtraction' sign is used instead. However, I don't know whether that is because that is standard in that country or whether they are just being 'lazy' (also, of course, the issue of computers may make people not bother using a raised sign as it is not as easy to produce on a computer as a standard subtraction sign). Of course, it may well be the case that there is no standard at all." Comments welcome - Pam =============================================================== Pam Bishop, Assistant Director LTSN Maths, Stats & OR Network School of Mathematics and Statistics p.bishop@bham.ac.uk The University of Birmingham tel 0121-414 4800 Birmingham B15 2TT fax 0121-414 3389 The Maths, Stats & OR Network is part of the Learning and Teaching Support Network, which provides discipline-based support for learning and teaching in UK universities. 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References: <3D3BEEDB.20398.2E7A80@localhost> Message-ID: <3D3C03BE.970C77D8@gactr.uga.edu> Hi, I'm very interested in this subject, but not being a native English speaker I am afraid I don't understand the discussion because I don't know what a "raised" sign is. Also, what is the difference with a "subtraction" sign? Is what you call the subtraction sign the minus key on every keyboard? Is the raised sign the HTML character (–) ? Thanks, Guillermo Pam Bishop wrote: > Is there an international standard in notation for negative numbers? One > enquirer has asked: > > "Personally, I have been brought up differentiating between 'negative seven' > and 'subtract seven' through the former being a 'raised' sign compared with the > subtraction sign. However, is this 'standard' world-wide or is there no agreed > standard? I note on several web sites that often a raised sign is not used for > 'negative' and a 'subtraction' sign is used instead. However, I don't know > whether that is because that is standard in that country or whether they are > just being 'lazy' (also, of course, the issue of computers may make people not > bother using a raised sign as it is not as easy to produce on a computer as a > standard subtraction sign). Of course, it may well be the case that there is > no standard at all." > > Comments welcome - Pam > > =============================================================== > > Pam Bishop, Assistant Director > LTSN Maths, Stats & OR Network > School of Mathematics and Statistics p.bishop@bham.ac.uk > The University of Birmingham tel 0121-414 4800 > Birmingham B15 2TT fax 0121-414 3389 > > The Maths, Stats & OR Network is part of the Learning and Teaching > Support Network, which provides discipline-based support for > learning and teaching in UK universities. > > More information can be found at http://ltsn.mathstore.ac.uk > =============================================================== > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List > To unsubscribe: > via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl > via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with > "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message > List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Guillermo Alzuru Web Instructional Development University of Georgia Center for Continuing Education, # 194D Athens, GA 30602 Ph: (706) 542-4476 - Fax: (706) 542-6720 ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From miker at nag.co.uk Mon Jul 22 10:45:13 2002 From: miker at nag.co.uk (Michael Gerard Richardson) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? In-Reply-To: <3D3C03BE.970C77D8@gactr.uga.edu> from "Guillermo Alzuru" at Jul 22, 2002 09:08:14 AM Message-ID: <200207221445.PAA23427@buckworth.nag.co.uk> In response to Guillermo, a "raised" symbol is simply one placed higher than its normal position relative to other characters. The "subtraction" sign is that normally produced by the "minus key". I believe that character 150 is (officially) undefined in HTML - however, in a couple of browsers I tried, this was interpreted as an ordinary minus sign. The effect of a raised minus sign could be approximated by character 175 but this should probably not be encouraged, as this is officially a macron (a horizontal line appearing above a letter). A quick perusal of the Unicode mathematical symbols lists did not yield a specific symbol for "raised minus". Mike >I'm very interested in this subject, but not being a native English speaker I am >afraid I don't understand the discussion because I don't know what a "raised" sign >is. Also, what is the difference with a "subtraction" sign? > >Is what you call the subtraction sign the minus key on every keyboard? Is the >raised sign the HTML character (–) ? > >Thanks, > >Guillermo _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. 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Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:00:02 +0200 >Subject: Re: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? >Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) >From: Paul Libbrecht >To: webmath@camel.math.ca >In-Reply-To: <3D3BEEDB.20398.2E7A80@localhost> >Message-Id: >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) > > From a technical point of view, I think a "content" encoding would >answer all of this. >In OpenMath, and OMdoc and ActiveMath, the two minus are different.[*] > >Is it the case in MathML-content ? Presumably yes. > >Now, depending on the course where it is used, or even your taste, it >can be rendered the same or not... >Engines converting content to presentation (very often an XSL >stylesheet) can also output the same sign but keep a "track" of the >original meaning of the symbol allowing, for example, a user to see in >the status-bar the "minus" or "substraction" name when having the mouse >over it. > >A similar approach should be taken within interactive exercises where >the users will enter their formulas. > >Although the approaches to "content encoding" are not completely ready >to be used, I think they answer most of the notation ambiguities while >respecting the practices of teachers and content editors. >If an international standard has to be found, it should really be at the >level of the content encoding and not at the level of graphical >notations where one expects flexibility and internationalization... > >Paul > >[*] For a little taste, please have a look > http://www.activemath.org/demo/ > Although it doesn't appear when using the system, the formulas > are converted from content encoding. The name-in-status-bar feature > is in for most symbols as well as the ability to click on it > to obtain a view in the dictionary and browse, for example, to > its definition. > Please avoid using Netscape 4 and prefer Mozilla. > > (few other products exist, others may comment on this) > > > >On Lundi, juillet 22, 2002, at 12:39 , Pam Bishop wrote: > >> Is there an international standard in notation for negative numbers? >> One enquirer has asked: >> >> "Personally, I have been brought up differentiating between 'negative >> seven' and 'subtract seven' through the former being a 'raised' sign >> compared with the subtraction sign. However, is this 'standard' >> world-wide or is there no agreed >> standard? > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Mon Jul 22 14:19:20 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? Message-ID: >Message-ID: >To: webmath@camel.math.ca >Subject: RE: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:54:21 -0400 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) > >The only place I have run into the raised negative has been in teaching >developmental (grade school and high school) math to college students. They >apparently picked up the habit in earlier courses. Most students who use >the raised negative consistently get wrong answers; I don't think it helps >and may even hinder their comprehension of arithmetic with negative numbers. > >Die morgen Stunde haben Gold in seine Munde. >(The morning hours have gold in their mouths.) >Wake up call from my grandmother, Louisa Pieschl Dueser > >> ---------- >> From: Pam Bishop >> Reply To: webmath@camel.math.ca >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:39 AM >> To: webmath@camel.math.ca >> Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? >> >> Is there an international standard in notation for negative numbers? One >> enquirer has asked: >> >> "Personally, I have been brought up differentiating between 'negative >> seven' >> and 'subtract seven' through the former being a 'raised' sign compared >> with the >> subtraction sign. However, is this 'standard' world-wide or is there no >> agreed >> standard? I note on several web sites that often a raised sign is not >> used for >> 'negative' and a 'subtraction' sign is used instead. However, I don't >> know >> whether that is because that is standard in that country or whether they >> are >> just being 'lazy' (also, of course, the issue of computers may make people >> not >> bother using a raised sign as it is not as easy to produce on a computer >> as a >> standard subtraction sign). Of course, it may well be the case that there >> is >> no standard at all." >> >> Comments welcome - Pam >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =============================================================== >> >> Pam Bishop, Assistant Director >> LTSN Maths, Stats & OR Network >> School of Mathematics and Statistics p.bishop@bham.ac.uk >> The University of Birmingham tel 0121-414 4800 >> Birmingham B15 2TT fax 0121-414 3389 >> >> The Maths, Stats & OR Network is part of the Learning and Teaching >> Support Network, which provides discipline-based support for >> learning and teaching in UK universities. >> >> More information can be found at http://ltsn.mathstore.ac.uk >> =============================================================== >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List >> To unsubscribe: >> via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl >> via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with >> "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message >> List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Mon Jul 22 15:27:33 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:13:09 -0500 >Message-Id: <200207221513.KAA29124@wisdom.geomtech.com> >From: Robert Miner >To: webmath@camel.math.ca >CC: webmath@camel.math.ca >Subject: Re: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? > > >Hi. > >> Is there an international standard in notation for negative numbers? One >> enquirer has asked: >> >> "Personally, I have been brought up differentiating between 'negative >>seven' >> and 'subtract seven' through the former being a 'raised' sign compared >>with the >> subtraction sign. However, is this 'standard' world-wide or is there no >>agreed >> standard? I note on several web sites that often a raised sign is not >>used for >> 'negative' and a 'subtraction' sign is used instead. However, I don't know >> whether that is because that is standard in that country or whether they >>are >> just being 'lazy' (also, of course, the issue of computers may make >>people not >> bother using a raised sign as it is not as easy to produce on a computer >>as a >> standard subtraction sign). Of course, it may well be the case that >>there is >> no standard at all." > >My take on this is that the "raised" minus sign is mostly a >pedagogical convention. I thrives in the world of handwritten >mathematics, but is rare in typeset mathematics. > >In Unicode 3.2 (which is the newest version which include several >thousand new characters for math) there are a couple relevant >charaters: > >0x002d (45) HYPHEN-MINUS >0x2122 (8482) MINUS SIGN > >Typically in fonts, the hyphen minus (which is the one on the >keyboard) is shorter, thicker, and sometimes a little raised. The >true minus is the longer, thinner more TeX-like symbol. > >In a web page where you are faking the math, you are probably stuck >using hyphen minus. But in most math typesetting software, including >the main MathML implementations, usually a hyphen minus in math markup >is interpreted as being the true minus as a convenience. Obviously >that works against using the hyphen minus as a stand in for the >"raised minus", but since that doesn't work dependably anyway that's >probably not a bad thing. > >To get a dependable, clearly different raised minus, I would use a >regular minus as a superscript to an space or something like that. > >My own view of the standard way of distinguishing the >unary minus from the binary minus operator is that this is done with >spacing, at least in typeset math. A unary minus operator (the kind >that you get with negative numbers) is sucked up close to its operand >on the right, while the binary minus has fairly generous spacing on >both sides: -2 vs 2 - 3. When there's ambiguity, I think most typeset >texts would use parens 2 - (-3), etc. > >--Robert > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Robert Miner RobertM@dessci.com >MathML 2.0 Specification Co-editor 651-223-2883 >Design Science, Inc. "How Science Communicates" www.dessci.com >------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From RobertM at dessci.com Mon Jul 22 11:13:09 2002 From: RobertM at dessci.com (Robert Miner) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? Message-ID: <200207221513.KAA29124@wisdom.geomtech.com> Hi. > Is there an international standard in notation for negative numbers? One > enquirer has asked: > > "Personally, I have been brought up differentiating between 'negative seven' > and 'subtract seven' through the former being a 'raised' sign compared with the > subtraction sign. However, is this 'standard' world-wide or is there no agreed > standard? I note on several web sites that often a raised sign is not used for > 'negative' and a 'subtraction' sign is used instead. However, I don't know > whether that is because that is standard in that country or whether they are > just being 'lazy' (also, of course, the issue of computers may make people not > bother using a raised sign as it is not as easy to produce on a computer as a > standard subtraction sign). Of course, it may well be the case that there is > no standard at all." My take on this is that the "raised" minus sign is mostly a pedagogical convention. I thrives in the world of handwritten mathematics, but is rare in typeset mathematics. In Unicode 3.2 (which is the newest version which include several thousand new characters for math) there are a couple relevant charaters: 0x002d (45) HYPHEN-MINUS 0x2122 (8482) MINUS SIGN Typically in fonts, the hyphen minus (which is the one on the keyboard) is shorter, thicker, and sometimes a little raised. The true minus is the longer, thinner more TeX-like symbol. In a web page where you are faking the math, you are probably stuck using hyphen minus. But in most math typesetting software, including the main MathML implementations, usually a hyphen minus in math markup is interpreted as being the true minus as a convenience. Obviously that works against using the hyphen minus as a stand in for the "raised minus", but since that doesn't work dependably anyway that's probably not a bad thing. To get a dependable, clearly different raised minus, I would use a regular minus as a superscript to an space or something like that. My own view of the standard way of distinguishing the unary minus from the binary minus operator is that this is done with spacing, at least in typeset math. A unary minus operator (the kind that you get with negative numbers) is sucked up close to its operand on the right, while the binary minus has fairly generous spacing on both sides: -2 vs 2 - 3. When there's ambiguity, I think most typeset texts would use parens 2 - (-3), etc. --Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Miner RobertM@dessci.com MathML 2.0 Specification Co-editor 651-223-2883 Design Science, Inc. "How Science Communicates" www.dessci.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jsdevitt at stratumtek.com Mon Jul 22 16:12:11 2002 From: jsdevitt at stratumtek.com (Stan Devitt) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: notations for minus (was WebMath: Fwd: BOUNCE webmath@west.camel.math.ca:) References: Message-ID: <003101c231bc$10a18a30$6c61a8c0@devitt.local> And for the record, the distinction between negative and minus in content mathml is that one is a unary application of and the other is a binary application. This begs the question of searching for a standard way of displaying the distinction, but given that there may be more than one stylistic convention, it does illustrate how one can separate the two issues without losing track of the mathematical distinction and without risking a mis-interpretation of any given style. Stan Devitt ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From hay at haystack.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 22 18:13:51 2002 From: hay at haystack.demon.co.uk (Allan Hayes) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: Re: notations for minus References: <003101c231bc$10a18a30$6c61a8c0@devitt.local> Message-ID: <006d01c231cd$1db73d80$9b16989e@machine1> It seems that three uses for - have been raised, illustrated by the negative number -7 the unary function -(7) the binary subtraction function in infix notation 8 - 7 We have -(7) = -7 and -(-7) = 7 and the reduction 8 - 7 = 8+(-(7)) = 8+ (-7) = 1. With multiplicaton we have, using ^ to denote superscript, 2^-1 (2)^-1 3/2 = 3 * ((2)^-1) = 3* (2^-1) But do we interpret 1/2 as (2)^-1 or as 2^-1. It seems that where necessary parentheses are enough to distinguish them Allan --------------------- Allan Hayes Leicester UK hay@haystack.demon.co.uk Voice: +44 (0)116 271 4198 Fax: +44 (0)870 164 0565 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Devitt" To: Sent: 22 July 2002 21:12 Subject: Re: notations for minus (was WebMath: Fwd: BOUNCE webmath@west.camel.math.ca:) > And for the record, the distinction between negative and minus > in content mathml is that one is a unary application of > and the other is a binary application. > > This begs the question of searching for a standard way > of displaying the distinction, but given that there may be more > than one stylistic convention, it does illustrate > how one can separate the two issues > without losing track of the mathematical distinction > and without risking a mis-interpretation of any > given style. > > Stan Devitt > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List > To unsubscribe: > via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl > via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with > "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message > List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From debutler at argonet.co.uk Mon Jul 22 19:28:40 2002 From: debutler at argonet.co.uk (Douglas Butler) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? ALT 0150 In-Reply-To: <200207221513.KAA29124@wisdom.geomtech.com> References: <200207221513.KAA29124@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: <1959.209.242.17.254.1027380520.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> > In a web page where you are faking the math, > you are probably stuck using hyphen minus. Not so - ANY font has a proper minus sign (en-dash) which can be inserted anywhere as ALT 0150 eg ?x (better than -x), though the distinction will only be seen in this email if you are running in formatted text. Likewise ALT 1076 for 45?, and ALT 0178 for x?, and ALT 0179 for x? VERY annoying that IE6 does not recognise the Unicode font extensions - that single advance would solve 50% of MATH notation problems on the Web, ie all math expressions that can be written as a single line of text. -- Douglas Butler iCT Training Centre (Oundle School), PO Box 46, Peterborough PE8 4JX, UK Tel: +44 1832 273444 Fax: +44 1832 272760 www.argonet.co.uk/oundlesch www.autograph-math.com ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Your message . .Robert Miner-- > > Hi. > >> Is there an international standard in notation for negative numbers? >> One enquirer has asked: >> >> "Personally, I have been brought up differentiating between 'negative >> seven' and 'subtract seven' through the former being a 'raised' sign >> compared with the subtraction sign. However, is this 'standard' >> world-wide or is there no agreed standard? I note on several web >> sites that often a raised sign is not used for 'negative' and a >> 'subtraction' sign is used instead. However, I don't know whether >> that is because that is standard in that country or whether they are >> just being 'lazy' (also, of course, the issue of computers may make >> people not bother using a raised sign as it is not as easy to produce >> on a computer as a standard subtraction sign). Of course, it may >> well be the case that there is no standard at all." > > My take on this is that the "raised" minus sign is mostly a > pedagogical convention. I thrives in the world of handwritten > mathematics, but is rare in typeset mathematics. > > In Unicode 3.2 (which is the newest version which include several > thousand new characters for math) there are a couple relevant > charaters: > > 0x002d (45) HYPHEN-MINUS > 0x2122 (8482) MINUS SIGN > > Typically in fonts, the hyphen minus (which is the one on the > keyboard) is shorter, thicker, and sometimes a little raised. The true > minus is the longer, thinner more TeX-like symbol. > > In a web page where you are faking the math, you are probably stuck > using hyphen minus. But in most math typesetting software, including > the main MathML implementations, usually a hyphen minus in math markup > is interpreted as being the true minus as a convenience. Obviously > that works against using the hyphen minus as a stand in for the > "raised minus", but since that doesn't work dependably anyway that's > probably not a bad thing. > > To get a dependable, clearly different raised minus, I would use a > regular minus as a superscript to an space or something like that. > > My own view of the standard way of distinguishing the > unary minus from the binary minus operator is that this is done with > spacing, at least in typeset math. A unary minus operator (the kind > that you get with negative numbers) is sucked up close to its operand > on the right, while the binary minus has fairly generous spacing on > both sides: -2 vs 2 - 3. When there's ambiguity, I think most typeset > texts would use parens 2 - (-3), etc. > > --Robert > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Robert Miner RobertM@dessci.com > MathML 2.0 Specification Co-editor 651-223-2883 > Design Science, Inc. "How Science Communicates" www.dessci.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From RobertM at dessci.com Mon Jul 22 23:49:59 2002 From: RobertM at dessci.com (Robert Miner) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:42 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? ALT 0150 Message-ID: <200207230349.WAA13956@wisdom.geomtech.com> Hi. You wrote: > Not so - ANY font has a proper minus sign (en-dash) which can be inserted > anywhere as ALT 0150 eg –x (better than -x), though the distinction will > only be seen in this email if you are running in formatted text. No. en-dash is en-dash. The unicode point for MINUS in x2212. You can use an en-dash, but in my view, that is faking it. I concede that it sounds like using en-dash works pretty well though, since as you say, en-dash is in pretty much any font that covers ISO-LATIN-1, and usually looks the way you want. I don't actually object to "faking it" in the least, but I want to clarify the purist viewpoint > Likewise ALT 1076 for 45°, and ALT 0178 for x², and ALT 0179 for x³ I like the ALT xxxx trick too. But note that that behavior is tied to the authoring tool. Not all authoring tools support it. > VERY annoying that IE6 does not recognise the Unicode font extensions - > that single advance would solve 50% of MATH notation problems on the Web, > ie all math expressions that can be written as a single line of > text. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Windows in general, and IE in particular do have pretty good Unicode support, at least in my experience. What is lacking is Unicode encodings for fonts. All older fonts and most new ones use a different encoding scheme. So if you ask a random font for the glyph in slot x2212, you usually get junk. As an illustration, here are two snippets on HTML code where the code points for hyphe en-dash and MINUS are hard coded as numerical escape sequences. The first displays fine for me, since Lucida Sans Unicode is one of the few widely distributed fonts with a Unicode encoding. Note that the Lucida designers have made hypen and en-dash very similar, but MINUS still looks like a minus sign. However, in the second example, the first two come out fine, but the third code point is a little bullet thing. This is because Times in not a Unicode-encoded font.
Here is a hyphen - and an en-dash – and a minus −
Here is a hyphen - and an en-dash – and a minus −
--Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Miner RobertM@dessci.com MathML 2.0 Specification Co-editor 651-223-2883 Design Science, Inc. "How Science Communicates" www.dessci.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From davidc at nag.co.uk Tue Jul 23 04:30:15 2002 From: davidc at nag.co.uk (David Carlisle) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? ALT 0150 In-Reply-To: <200207230349.WAA13956@wisdom.geomtech.com> (message from Robert Miner on Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:49:59 -0500) References: <200207230349.WAA13956@wisdom.geomtech.com> Message-ID: <200207230830.JAA20882@penguin.nag.co.uk> > Here is a hyphen - and an en-dash – and a minus − note however endash is – (–) there is no unicode character 150. (There is a dash in that slot in some microsoft specific encodings but the &# notation always refers to unicode numbers not any file-specific encoding) David _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From RobertM at dessci.com Tue Jul 23 03:04:53 2002 From: RobertM at dessci.com (Robert Miner) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? ALT 0150 Message-ID: <200207230704.CAA17989@wisdom.geomtech.com> Hi. You wrote: > Not so - ANY font has a proper minus sign (en-dash) which can be inserted > anywhere as ALT 0150 eg ñx (better than -x), though the distinction will > only be seen in this email if you are running in formatted text. I disagree on a technicality. en-dash is en-dash. The unicode point for MINUS in x2212. You can use an en-dash, but in my view, that is faking it. I concede that it sounds like using en-dash works pretty well though, since as you say, en-dash is in pretty much any font that covers ISO-LATIN-1, and usually looks the way you want. I don't actually object to "faking it" in the least, but I want to clarify the purist viewpoint > Likewise ALT 1076 for 45ƒ, and ALT 0178 for x¾, and ALT 0179 for x„ I like the ALT trick too. But note that that behavior is tied to the authoring tool. Not all authoring tools support it. > VERY annoying that IE6 does not recognise the Unicode font extensions - > that single advance would solve 50% of MATH notation problems on the Web, > ie all math expressions that can be written as a single line of > text. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Windows in general, and IE in particular do have pretty good Unicode support, at least in my experience. What is lacking is Unicode encodings for fonts. All older fonts and most new ones use a different encoding scheme. So if you ask a random font for the glyph in slot x2212, you usually get junk. As an illustration, here are two snippets on HTML code where the code points for hyphe en-dash and MINUS are hard coded as numerical escape sequences. The first displays fine for me, since Lucida Sans Unicode is one of the few widely distributed fonts with a Unicode encoding. Note that the Lucida designers have made hypen and en-dash very similar, but MINUS still looks like a minus sign. However, in the second example, the first two come out fine, but the third code point is a little bullet thing. This is because Times in not a Unicode-encoded font.
Here is a hyphen - and an en-dash – and a minus −
Here is a hyphen - and an en-dash – and a minus −
--Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Miner RobertM@dessci.com MathML 2.0 Specification Co-editor 651-223-2883 Design Science, Inc. "How Science Communicates" www.dessci.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Wed Jul 31 01:23:41 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fwd: Coming up: MathML working on the Mac Message-ID: This was posted to the Mozilla MathML list by Roger B. Sidje. June .... > >If you quickly want a summary, folks wisdom said that a picture speaks >more than a thousand words... so here is a screenshot that shows that >the Mac (OS 8.x to OS 10.x -- a.k.a. OS X in roman numeral) is now >capable of displaying MathML beautifully as in other platforms: >screenshot: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=92737 > >But not all the patches have been checked in yet, and current builds >are not yet in full parity. Wait until the patches on bugs 154007, >159243, and 107146 get checked in. Mozilla's drivers had earlier >approved the enabling of MathML by default on the Mac, but that was >mostly intended to allow sufficient baking time to all the bits & pieces >as they get gradually checked in. > >It has taken a very loooong time to finally get MathML support on >the Mac in parity with the other platforms. Kudos to Rob Schofield -- >schofield@wolfram.com (a.k.a. robschofield@mac.com). On assignment >from Wolfram Research, Inc (WRI) -- maker of Mathematica, Rob has been >liaising with me throughout this month to do what it takes to fill >the platform-specific gaps that were hampering the Mac, namely: > >bug 74821 - Implement GetBoundingMetrics() on the Mac >http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74821 > >bug 107146 - math fonts (ucvmath) not working on the Mac >http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107146 > >Once all the bits & pieces are checked in, MathML will therefore be >alive & well on the three major Mozilla platforms (Windows, Unix, Mac). >Gone will be the disturbing hassle of having to sniff whether or not >a particular platform or build has MathML. It is anticipated that >distributors will (eventually) share the fruits of this effort with >end-users. In particular, the enabling of MathML in Netscape 7 has >motivated this concrete follow-up from WRI (boycott Galeon if they >keep --disable-mathml). > >It was during lively discussions at the MathML Conference 2002 >in Chicago that the drive to fill the missing APIs for the Mac >crystallized. I will therefore give another word of thanks to >Stephen Watt of the Ontario Research Centre for Computer Algebra >(http://www.orcca.on.ca) who sponsored my trip over there. >--- >RBS > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From info at mathgoodies.com Mon Aug 5 15:35:35 2002 From: info at mathgoodies.com (Gisele Glosser) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: Math Teachers needs to help with forums! Message-ID: <3D4ED384.33F4ACD5@mathgoodies.com> Dear Colleagues, We need volunteer teachers to help with our Homework Help Forums at Math Goodies. Our policy is to guide students toward finding a solution, but we don't do their homework for them. We get as many as 200 messages a day during the school year, so we could sure use some help. Please consider contributing to this valuable community! http://www.mathgoodies.com/forums/ We also have forums just for teachers and welcome your participation. 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Your colleague Bob Matthews knows me, and knows my graphing program Autograph. It strikes me that you may be able to help with a problem we are encountering in our attempts to get Autograph to run on Chinese Windows, and other picture language operating systems. These systems do not permit the use of bit-map fonts for dialogue boxes, and we are therefore looking for a way to adapt Arial by adding about a dozen special characters for the particular symbols we use in Autograph. Do you know of a good font designer who can deliver Aria performance down to 8pt, and add in the extra characters - affordably?? Perhaps Design Science has its own font designers? I hope you can help. With best wishes Douglas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Douglas Butler debutler@argonet.co.uk iCT Training Centre (Oundle School), PO Box 46, Oundle PE8 4JX, UK Tel: +44 (0)1832 273444 Fax: +44 (0)1832 272760 Mob: 07718 319903 www.argonet.co.uk/oundlesch Autograph: www.autograph-maths.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Miner" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: Re: WebMath: standard notation for negative numbers? ALT 0150 > > > Hi. > > You wrote: > > > Not so - ANY font has a proper minus sign (en-dash) which can be inserted > > anywhere as ALT 0150 eg ?x (better than -x), though the distinction will > > only be seen in this email if you are running in formatted text. > > I disagree on a technicality. en-dash is en-dash. The unicode point > for MINUS in x2212. You can use an en-dash, but in my view, that is > faking it. > > I concede that it sounds like using en-dash works pretty well though, > since as you say, en-dash is in pretty much any font that covers > ISO-LATIN-1, and usually looks the way you want. I don't actually > object to "faking it" in the least, but I want to clarify the purist > viewpoint > > > Likewise ALT 1076 for 45?, and ALT 0178 for x?, and ALT 0179 for x? > > I like the ALT trick too. But note that that behavior is tied to > the authoring tool. Not all authoring tools support it. > > > VERY annoying that IE6 does not recognise the Unicode font extensions - > > that single advance would solve 50% of MATH notation problems on the Web, > > ie all math expressions that can be written as a single line of > > text. > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. Windows in general, and IE in > particular do have pretty good Unicode support, at least in my > experience. What is lacking is Unicode encodings for fonts. All > older fonts and most new ones use a different encoding scheme. So if > you ask a random font for the glyph in slot x2212, you usually get > junk. > > As an illustration, here are two snippets on HTML code where the code > points for hyphe en-dash and MINUS are hard coded as numerical escape > sequences. The first displays fine for me, since Lucida Sans Unicode > is one of the few widely distributed fonts with a Unicode encoding. > Note that the Lucida designers have made hypen and en-dash very > similar, but MINUS still looks like a minus sign. > > However, in the second example, the first two come out fine, but the > third code point is a little bullet thing. This is because Times in > not a Unicode-encoded font. > >
> Here is a hyphen - and an en-dash – and a minus − >
> >
> Here is a hyphen - and an en-dash – and a minus − >
> > > --Robert > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Robert Miner RobertM@dessci.com > MathML 2.0 Specification Co-editor 651-223-2883 > Design Science, Inc. "How Science Communicates" www.dessci.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List > To unsubscribe: > via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl > via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with > "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message > List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.cms.math.ca/pipermail/webmath/attachments/20020815/54367a7a/attachment.htm From paul at mathweb.org Mon Aug 26 10:36:39 2002 From: paul at mathweb.org (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fwd: [ANN] MBase 0.8 Released (Mathematical Knowledge Base) Message-ID: <3B88D7AE-B901-11D6-9FD0-0003934D43BA@mathweb.org> Begin forwarded message: > Date: Same ao?t 24, 2002 12:39:54 Europe/Brussels > Subject: [ANN] MBase 0.8 Released (Mathematical Knowledge Base) > > > [Apologies for multiple copies] > > > We are pleased to announce the first official release of > > The MBase Mathematical Knowledge Base > > MBase 0.8 is available from the MBase web page: > > http://www.mathweb.org/mbase/ > > > The MBase system is distributed under the GNU General Public License, > binary distributions are provided for Linux and Solaris. > An online demo is can be found at > > http://mbase.mathweb.org:8080/ > > Version 0.8 is the first official release of the system. It should be > considered as alpha quality code. > > > ABOUT MBASE > > The MBase system is an ongoing development of a web-based knowledge > base of > formalized mathematics (collections of definitions, theorems, or > proofs). The > system specializes an SQL-based database system for mathematical > structures in > the document format OMDoc [1], which is an XML language. > > Primary applications of MBase are deduction systems, mathematical > assistants, > content presentation systems, and learning environments, which can > interact with > MBase via the MathWeb system, an implementation of a mathematical > software bus for > distributed theorem proving and symbolic computation [2]. > > > MAJOR FEATURES > > -- import & export OMDoc content [1] > -- object persistence by standard SQL database system back-end > -- pattern-searching (e.g.... search for statements of commutativity) > -- web browser interface > -- xml-rpc interface for software clients > -- multi-platform support (Linux, Solaris, MacOS X) > > PLANNED FEATURES (contact us if you want to help) > > -- distributed cross-referencing and caching > -- content versioning management > > Comments, suggestions or bug reports are welcomed and should be > directed to the MBase development team . > > Have fun, > The MBase Team > (Andreas Franke, Michael Kohlhase, Markus Moschner) > > --- > > [1] http://www.mathweb.org/omdoc > [2] http://www.mathweb.org/mathweb > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From akelm at cms.math.ca Mon Aug 26 10:43:21 2002 From: akelm at cms.math.ca (Alan Kelm) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200208261443.KAA16938@cms.mathsoc.uottawa.ca> Received: from asuka.mt.cs.cmu.edu (ASUKA.MT.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.178.133]) by camel.math.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA46024 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200208232239.PAA46024@camel.math.ca> Received: from asuka.mt.cs.cmu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by asuka.mt.cs.cmu.edu id aa01525; 23 Aug 2002 18:39 EDT To: categories@mta.ca, formal-methods@cs.uidaho.edu, types@cs.indiana.edu, logic@cs.cornell.edu, logic@theory.lcs.mit.edu, isabelle-users@cl.cam.ac.uk, qed@mcs.anl.gov, uitp@dcs.gla.ac.uk, coq-club@pauillac.inria.fr, ozsl-list@fwi.uva.mlist-0.sp.cs.cmu.edu, calculemus-ig@calculemus.net, logic-ml@logic.jaist.ac.jp, theorem-provers@ai.mit.edu, ftp@logic.at, om-announce@lars.math.fsu.edu, rewriting@ens-lyon.fr, omdoc@mathweb.org, www-math@w3.org, webmath@camel.math.ca, users@mozart-oz.org, mowgli-dev@cs.unibo.it, mbase@mathweb.org, activemath-dev@mathweb.org, namkm@mathweb.org Reply-to: Michael Kohlhase From: Michael Kohlhase Subject: [ANN] MBase 0.8 Released (Mathematical Knowledge Base) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:39:54 -0400 Sender: Michael_Kohlhase@asuka.mt.cs.cmu.edu [Apologies for multiple copies] We are pleased to announce the first official release of The MBase Mathematical Knowledge Base MBase 0.8 is available from the MBase web page: http://www.mathweb.org/mbase/ The MBase system is distributed under the GNU General Public License, binary distributions are provided for Linux and Solaris. An online demo is can be found at http://mbase.mathweb.org:8080/ Version 0.8 is the first official release of the system. It should be considered as alpha quality code. ABOUT MBASE The MBase system is an ongoing development of a web-based knowledge base of formalized mathematics (collections of definitions, theorems, or proofs). The system specializes an SQL-based database system for mathematical structures in the document format OMDoc [1], which is an XML language. Primary applications of MBase are deduction systems, mathematical assistants, content presentation systems, and learning environments, which can interact with MBase via the MathWeb system, an implementation of a mathematical software bus for distributed theorem proving and symbolic computation [2]. MAJOR FEATURES -- import & export OMDoc content [1] -- object persistence by standard SQL database system back-end -- pattern-searching (e.g.... search for statements of commutativity) -- web browser interface -- xml-rpc interface for software clients -- multi-platform support (Linux, Solaris, MacOS X) PLANNED FEATURES (contact us if you want to help) -- distributed cross-referencing and caching -- content versioning management Comments, suggestions or bug reports are welcomed and should be directed to the MBase development team . Have fun, The MBase Team (Andreas Franke, Michael Kohlhase, Markus Moschner) --- [1] http://www.mathweb.org/omdoc [2] http://www.mathweb.org/mathweb ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Fri Aug 30 05:46:37 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fwd: MathML in Netscape 7.0 Message-ID: Anyone tried this and want to report to the list? Are there pages somewhere we can test the MathML on? June ---------------------------- >From: "Roger B. Sidje" ... >Subject: MathML in Netscape 7.0 >Resent-From: mozilla-mathml@mozilla.org ... > >7.0 is out, with MathML (albeit Netscape is quiet about it -- as usual). >It is stable and fassst... Finally a browser worthy of recommendation >and wide installation as a default browser in the academic world. All >platforms, although the enabling of MathML on the Mac came late. > >Buzz: >http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/default.jsp > >Quick link to download on Windows: >http://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape7/english/7.0/windows/win32/NSSetup.exe >--- >RBS > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From davidc at nag.co.uk Fri Aug 30 06:48:34 2002 From: davidc at nag.co.uk (David Carlisle) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fwd: MathML in Netscape 7.0 In-Reply-To: (message from June Lester on Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:46:37 -0700) References: Message-ID: <200208301048.LAA00402@penguin.nag.co.uk> June, > Anyone tried this and want to report to the list? Works fine on windows. Not surprisingly it has a passing resemblence to mozilla... > Are there pages > somewhere we can test the MathML on? mozilla mathml torture: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/demo/texvsmml.xml w3c mathml test suite http://www.w3.org/Math/testsuite/ David _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From toh at maths.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 30 07:16:06 2002 From: toh at maths.warwick.ac.uk (Trevor Hawkes) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fwd: MathML in Netscape 7.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Anyone tried this and want to report to the list? Are there pages >somewhere we can test the MathML on? > >June I just downloaded Netscape 7 onto my iMac running on MacOS 9.2.2. It displays the fraction "x over y" coded by x y as xy. Perhaps I need something extra. I have sent an email to Roger Sidje about it. Trevor Hawkes -- ________________________________________________________________________ T O Hawkes Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry W Midlands CV4 7AL Tel: 024 76523454 (Office) Email: toh@maths.warwick.ac.uk (Work) 024 7652 4182 (Fax) trevor_hawkes@hotmail.com (Home) 01926 831605 (Home) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.cms.math.ca/pipermail/webmath/attachments/20020830/d69bbc32/attachment.htm From paul at activemath.org Fri Aug 30 07:56:13 2002 From: paul at activemath.org (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fwd: MathML in Netscape 7.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7B8305EE-BC0F-11D6-82AB-0003934D43BA@activemath.org> Trevor, Did the installer create any font on your system (like Math1, Math4...) ? If yes, then there is some MathML. If not, I'd expect the whole thing to be simply not there yet, shame on Netscape ! Paul On Vendredi, ao?t 30, 2002, at 01:16 , Trevor Hawkes wrote: > Anyone tried this and want to report to the list?? Are there pages > somewhere we can test the MathML on? > > June > > > I just downloaded Netscape 7 onto my iMac running on MacOS 9.2.2. > > It displays the fraction "x over y" coded by > as xy. > > Perhaps I need something extra. I have sent an email to Roger Sidje > about it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 614 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://mail.cms.math.ca/pipermail/webmath/attachments/20020830/53f6070e/attachment.bin From Guillermo.Alzuru at gactr.uga.edu Fri Aug 30 10:39:36 2002 From: Guillermo.Alzuru at gactr.uga.edu (Guillermo Alzuru) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: Netscape 7 Message-ID: <3D6F83A8.B1CB6B67@gactr.uga.edu> I can't get it to work on my Mac. It doesn't find my courses. Went back to Netscape 4.7 and found them as usual. I guess something in the installation was not successful. Any ideas? Thanks, Guillermo -- Guillermo Alzuru Web Instructional Development University of Georgia Center for Continuing Education, # 194D Athens, GA 30602 Ph: (706) 542-4476 - Fax: (706) 542-6720 ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at activemath.org Fri Aug 30 12:07:30 2002 From: paul at activemath.org (Paul Libbrecht) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: Fwd: MathML in Netscape 7.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <95F2AA0A-BC32-11D6-82AB-0003934D43BA@activemath.org> Hi, I think it's not installed on Macs (missing entity is what indicates it's not indicated generally), at least not on MacOSX. It is, aside of this, a pretty fast browser. My favorite page to test (which still breaks on nightly Mozillas with some font configuration on MacOSX) is the markup of the week which can be reached from http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/ Paul On Vendredi, ao?t 30, 2002, at 11:46 , June Lester wrote: > Anyone tried this and want to report to the list? Are there pages > somewhere we can test the MathML on? > > June ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Fri Sep 6 15:03:38 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:43 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathPlayer 1.0 now available for free download Message-ID: >From the Design Science site "MathPlayer 1.0 Now available for free download!!! MathPlayer? is a high-performance MathML display engine for Microsoft's Internet Explorer web browser. It requires Internet Explorer for Windows version 5.5 and later. We are making MathPlayer available for free in order to accelerate the adoption of MathML in the math, science, and education communities." Re a Mac version: "If Microsoft chooses to implement Behaviors in some future version of Macintosh Internet Explorer, we would be happy to provide a Macintosh version of MathPlayer. Although we have begged them to provide these enhancements, if you want to see a Macintosh version of MathPlayer, we encourage you to contact Microsoft yourself." ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From bobm at dessci.com Thu Sep 12 10:57:08 2002 From: bobm at dessci.com (Bob Mathews) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:44 2005 Subject: WebMath: New Product -- Design Science MathPlayer 1.0 Released Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912095644.02d9ec20@mail.beecreek.net> Dear Math on the Web Enthusiasts: After a few months in public beta, Design Science announces the release of MathPlayer 1.0, which enables mathematicians, educators, and scientists to present web content with high-quality display and interaction of mathematics in Microsoft's Internet Explorer for Windows web browser. Together with the Mozilla/Netscape browsers and their built-in MathML support, and the Universal MathML Style Sheet now available at the W3C Math site (http://www.w3.org/Math), the availability of MathPlayer makes MathML a viable and useful vehicle for putting math on the web. MathML (Mathematical Markup Language) is a recommendation of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) for representing mathematics. MathML can be combined with HTML to enable display of math in web pages. For more information on MathML, see http://www.w3.org/Math. Design Science is making MathPlayer available for free download (in exchange for an email address only) in order to help ensure the success of MathML in the marketplace. We also offer products that aid in the creation of MathML content: MathType --- the professional version of the Equation Editor that comes with Microsoft Office includes our MathPage technology for converting a Word document containing math to a web page with MathML. WebEQ --- our collection of software tools for adding dynamic math to web pages, including our WebEQ Editor for authoring MathML and WebEQ Input Control for enabling math input in web pages. Visit our web site at http://www.dessci.com to learn more about these products. The press release detailing the release of MathPlayer 1.0 is available on our web site: . Please contact me if you have any questions. Bruce Virga VP, Sales & Marketing email: brucev@dessci.com phone: 562-433-0685 http://www.dessci.com Design Science, Inc. "How Science Communicates" MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, Equation Editor, TeXaide ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Thu Oct 3 21:35:07 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:44 2005 Subject: WebMath: MathML in Netscape 7.0 Preview Release 1 Message-ID: >From: "Pam Bishop" >Subject: WebMath: MathML in Netscape 7.0 Preview Release 1 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------WCG2A98XJW24H9K" >Message-Id: >Bcc: >Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:03:10 +0100 > >------------WCG2A98XJW24H9K >Content-Type: text/html; >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > >The new Netscape 7.0 Preview Release 1 contains support for MathML. >You can
>download it from http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/7/download.jsp
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>If you like it, follow the feedback link and let them know - Pam
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>Pam Bishop, Assistant Director
>LTSN Maths, Stats & OR Network
>School of Mathematics and Statistics p.bishop@bham.ac.uk
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June ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From geoff.tennant at virgin.net Wed Oct 23 12:50:42 2002 From: geoff.tennant at virgin.net (Geoff Tennant) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:44 2005 Subject: WebMath: Mathematical activities for the celebration of major world festivals References: Message-ID: <013d01c27ab4$538dd060$7de4fc3e@tennant> Dear Colleagues, I am trying to trace materials for mathematical activities for children aged approx. 9-13 for the celebration of major world faiths. I have a fair few already for Christmas, and have a number of ideas, eg. Islamic patterns and Vedic squares, for activities based around the idea of mathematics across the world. But nothing along the precise lines I'm currently looking. If anybody could help me, I'd be very grateful! With very best wishes and many thanks for your attention, Geoff Tennant ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jborwein at cecm.sfu.ca Mon Oct 21 16:16:00 2002 From: jborwein at cecm.sfu.ca (Jonathan Borwein) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:44 2005 Subject: WebMath: Math activities for the celebration of major world festivals In-Reply-To: <013d01c27ab4$538dd060$7de4fc3e@tennant> from "Geoff Tennant" at Oct 23, 2002 05:50:42 PM Message-ID: <200210212016.g9LKG1210256970@bb.cecm.sfu.ca> I'm afraid I have nothing to suggest but Nathalie Sinclair might. I've cc'ed her. JMB Geoff Tennant > > Dear Colleagues, > > I am trying to trace materials for mathematical activities for children aged > approx. 9-13 for the celebration of major world faiths. I have a fair few > already for Christmas, and have a number of ideas, eg. Islamic patterns and > Vedic squares, for activities based around the idea of mathematics across > the world. But nothing along the precise lines I'm currently looking. > > > If anybody could help me, I'd be very grateful! > > > With very best wishes and many thanks for your attention, > > > > Geoff Tennant > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List > To unsubscribe: > via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl > via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with > "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message > List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- CECM o Jonathan Borwein Shrum Professor of Science, FRSC _ Founding Director Centre for = Experimental and Constructive Mathematics o o and Canada Research Chair Math Dept, Simon Fraser Univ, Burnaby, BC, V5A 1S6 (jborwein@cecm.sfu.ca) PHONE: (604) 291-3070 or 5616 FAX: 4947 URL: www.cecm.sfu.ca/~jborwein/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Fri Dec 6 16:23:56 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:44 2005 Subject: WebMath: Non-member submission from ["tot3830@helka.iif.hu" ] Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:30:48 -0800 (PST) >.... > >I wonder if anybody could suggest me >an introductory textbook >on the web >on number theory >in French. > >Thank you, > >Janos TOTH > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From giroux at dms.umontreal.ca Sat Dec 7 08:12:43 2002 From: giroux at dms.umontreal.ca (Andre Giroux) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:44 2005 Subject: WebMath: Non-member submission from ["tot3830@helka.iif.hu" ] References: Message-ID: <000901c29df2$5479a560$7dcd5c41@gossi> http://membres.lycos.fr/villemingerard/ThNombre/Theoreme.htm#ThNombre (Google) ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Lester" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: WebMath: Non-member submission from ["tot3830@helka.iif.hu" ] > >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:30:48 -0800 (PST) > >.... > > > >I wonder if anybody could suggest me > >an introductory textbook > >on the web > >on number theory > >in French. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Janos TOTH > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >mail2web - Check your email from the web at > >http://mail2web.com/ . > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List > To unsubscribe: > via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl > via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with > "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message > List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From claude.brezinski at univ-lille1.fr Sun Dec 8 10:34:44 2002 From: claude.brezinski at univ-lille1.fr (Claude Brezinski) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:44 2005 Subject: WebMath: Non-member submission from ["tot3830@helka.iif.hu" ] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20021208163444.006a9ba0@pop3.norton.antivirus> The only books in Frenc on number theory I know are old ones, to old to be interesting. Sincerely. _______________________________________________________________ | | | Claude Brezinski | | e-mail: claude.brezinski@univ-lille1.fr | | 7 rue de Provence phone : +33 (0)3 20 43 42 96 | | 75009 - Paris fax : +33 (0)3 20 43 68 69 | | France http://ano.univ-lille1.fr/cb | |_______________________________________________________________| ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jalester at cecm.sfu.ca Sun Dec 8 16:02:36 2002 From: jalester at cecm.sfu.ca (June Lester) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:44 2005 Subject: French number theory books, Message-ID: >Message-ID: <3DF387E9.9070209@sympatico.ca> >Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:56:57 -0500 >From: Simon Plouffe >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; >rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 >X-Accept-Language: en-us, en >To: WebMath@camel.math.ca >Subject: French number theory books, > > > >hello, > > > I do have a copy of Borevitch and Shafarevitch >book in pdf that I made myself with a scanner, > >it is available through kazaa. > > >Simon Plouffe ----------------------------------------------------------------- WebMath@mail.math.ca - WebMath Mailing List To unsubscribe: via Web: http://camel.math.ca/cgi-bin/wcms/webmath.pl via e-mail: send message a to majordomo@mail.math.ca with "unsubscribe webmath" in the BODY of message List Archives: http://camel.math.ca/mail/webmath/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From davidc at nag.co.uk Thu Dec 19 08:49:27 2002 From: davidc at nag.co.uk (David Carlisle) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:11:44 2005 Subject: WebMath: New MathML draft Message-ID: <200212191349.NAA08172@penguin.nag.co.uk> http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-MathML2-20021219/ This mainly is a re-issue to fold all the changes in the MathML 2.0 errata document back into the main text, but also for the first time it includes a W3C XML Schema, and a version in which all the examples are inlined and should render in a MathML aware browser. 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