<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Thanks Michael ! You see, in French, the expression <div>“Le français suit” is just incomprehensible . It is both incorrect in its</div><div>grammar and a bit impolite. It is like the</div><div>the song for the Liberal campaign that says in its French </div><div>translation “Une main haute pour...” which does not mean </div><div>anything in French. Translation is a subtle art ! About 60 percent</div><div>of the English dictionary comes from French. So it should</div><div>be easy... And although French was spoken in Great Britain</div><div>for four centuries in the royal court, after the Hasting battle in 1066,</div><div>the grammar is different. </div><div> Yes, you are right, if my suggestion recalls Revenue</div><div>Canada, it should be changed ! </div><div>Best,</div><div>Francois <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Envoyé de mon iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>Le 18 sept. 2019 à 13:16, Michael Doob <<a href="mailto:mdoob@ad.umanitoba.ca">mdoob@ad.umanitoba.ca</a>> a écrit :<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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As one who is foreign-born in a unilingual country, I really love
discussions within my adopted <br>
country concerning the nuances of language. This is great. I can't
speak for the French, but<br>
in English the context of the message would certainly be à-propos. <br>
<br>
Using the suggested “Please see the English version below” seems
really formal for<br>
the messages we usually receive from the CMS. It sounds like we're
getting a request <br>
for money from Revenue Canada. "The English follows", which I
believe is what is being used<br>
now, can also be interpreted as "follows in another email", so
something a little less formal<br>
but nonetheless accurate is desired.<br>
<br>
One possibility: "English following French" in parentheses. I think
the participle implies continuity<br>
within the email. Another: "English below after French". These are
accurate but, perhaps,<br>
a bit too abrupt.<br>
<br>
Any better suggestions?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Michael<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-09-18 11:39 a.m., François
Lalonde wrote:<br>
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Dear all,
<div> personally I do not care much about the </div>
<div>order. However, I agree with Frederic: the expression “Le
francais suit” (or in English “English follows”) does not make
any sense. This has always annoyed me. It should be</div>
<div>“SVP voir la version française ci-dessous” or in English</div>
<div>“Please see the English version below”. </div>
<div>Cordially,</div>
<div>Francois <br>
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Le 18 sept. 2019 à 10:54, Frédéric Gourdeau <<a href="mailto:Frederic.Gourdeau@mat.ulaval.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">Frederic.Gourdeau@mat.ulaval.ca</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">My apologies – this should not have been
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[<a href="mailto:cmath-bounces@cms.math.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:cmath-bounces@cms.math.ca</a>]
<b>De la part de</b> Frédéric Gourdeau<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> 18 septembre 2019 10:07<br>
<b>À :</b> Denise Charron; <a href="mailto:cmath@cms.math.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">cmath@cms.math.ca</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: [cmath] [REMINDER/RAPPEL] Call
For Proposals: 2019 Endowment Grants Competition |
Appel de projets : Concours de bourses du fonds de
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A0" lang="EN-US">A small thing : every message starts with
</span><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A0;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow" lang="EN-US">Le français suivra...</span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A0" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A0" lang="EN-US">This says that a message in French will
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A0" lang="EN-US">It would also be nice to get some
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below…</span></i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">It could then be in the reversed order in
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<b>De la part de</b> Denise Charron<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> 18 septembre 2019 09:46<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:cmath@cms.math.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">cmath@cms.math.ca</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> [cmath] [REMINDER/RAPPEL] Call For
Proposals: 2019 Endowment Grants Competition |
Appel de projets : Concours de bourses du fonds de
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<b><span style="color:#000099">Call For
Proposals - 2019 Endowment Grants
Competition</span></b><br>
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The Canadian Mathematical Society is pleased to
announce the 2019 Endowment Grants Competition
to fund projects that contribute to the broader
good of the mathematical community. The
Endowment Grants Committee (EGC) administers the
distribution of the grants and adjudicates
proposals for projects.<br>
<br>
Proposals must address the goal and statement of
purpose of the Canadian Mathematical Society: to
support the promotion and advancement of the
discovery, learning, and application of
mathematics.<br>
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An applicant may be involved in only one
proposal per competition as a principal
applicant. Proposals must come from CMS members,
or, if joint, at least one principal applicant
must be a CMS member. The EGC will consider
funding one or multi-year proposals to a maximum
of $2,500. The EGC tends to favour proposals
where CMS funds can be leveraged or where
applicants have no other natural funding to
which they can apply.<br>
<br>
<b>Proposals must be received no later than
September 30, 2019.</b> Successful applicants
will be informed in December 2019 and grants
will be awarded in January 2020. The application
form and further details<br>
about the application process are available on
the CMS website: <a href="https://cms.math.ca/Grants/EGC" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://cms.math.ca/Grants/EGC</a><br>
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Please contact <a href="mailto:awards-prizes@cms.math.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">awards-prizes@cms.math.ca</a>
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La Société mathématique du Canada (SMC) est
heureuse d'annoncer la tenue du Concours de
bourses du fonds de dotation 2019, qui finance
des activités contribuant à l'essor global de la
communauté mathématique. Le Comité d'attribution
des bourses du fonds de dotation (CABFD) gère la
répartition des bourses et évalue les projets.<br>
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Les projets doivent répondre aux objectifs et au
mandat de la SMC, soit promouvoir et favoriser
la découverte et l'apprentissage des
mathématiques, et les applications qui en
découlent.<br>
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projet par concours en tant que demandeu.se.r
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plusieurs années et accordera un maximum de 2
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aux projets pour lesquels le financement de la
SMC sera égalé ou pour lesquels la SMC est la
seule source de financement naturelle à laquelle
l.a.e demandeu.se.r a accès.<br>
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<b>Les projets doivent parvenir à la Société au
plus tard le 30 septembre 2019.</b> Les
projets retenus seront annoncés en décembre
2019, et les bourses distribuées en janvier
2020. Pour vous procurer un formulaire ou pour
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