RE : [cmath] Campaign against Elsevier
Joyal, André
joyal.andre at uqam.ca
Fri Jan 27 15:34:12 EST 2012
Dear Tomasz Kaczynski and colleagues,
You wrote,
> a fundamental discussion on public research and
> authors rights versus publisher's rights is due
The International Mathematical Union (IMU) has a blog for that:
(http://blog.mathunion.org/journals)
Certainly, we should continue discussing, but
there is also a need for concrete action.
David Savitt wrote (http://thecostofknowledge.com):
> Certainly one can debate whether Elsevier is the right specific target,
> but I do think that if one wants to build some sort of movement,
> it's best to start out in a relatively specific way.
> Targeting a particular bad behavior in a broad way may leave so few alternatives
> as to be impractical for many individuals, and if individuals can't make a pledge and stick to it
> then one isn't going to get anywhere. You also have to ask, pragmatically,
> what's going to get a large number of people to participate? A
> high-minded commitment to a broad principle takes much more effort than a boycott
> of a specific company.
Best regards,
André
-------- Message d'origine--------
De: cmath-bounces at cms.math.ca de la part de Tomasz Kaczynski
Date: ven. 27/01/2012 11:44
À: Nassif Ghoussoub; CMath E-Mail Distribution List
Cc: department at math.ubc.ca; Profs-Math
Objet : Re: [cmath] Campaign against Elsevier
Dear Nassif, Dear colleagues,
I am sympathetic with voices of deception with current publishing
practices but I don't know why this attack is explicitly on Elsevier,
while
1. The problem is general and it concerns all leading scientific
publishers, with Elsevier ex aequo Springer. Please see this paper
which appeared in The Guardian online half an year ago:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/29/academic-publishers-murdoch-socialist
For example, in the blog one says about "bundles" of Elsevier: From
2010 on, our library has been pushed to purchase a bundle of All
Springer electronic books in Math, leaving not too much funds for
books from other publishers. Another example, Elsevier charges $
31.40/paper, Springer $34.95.
2. The article cited above presents objections which are more
fundamental in nature than charging high prices: it is about
monopolizing the knowledge acquired from public funds. But it occurred
to me that actually Elsevier is the Publisher who's attitude to
Author's Rights e.g. concerning the free on-line distribution of
author's own preprints seems to be the most flexible, see this new
reformed policy:
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/rights
In the view of this policy, the author may not only keep a preprint on
his web page (or in arxiv) but even update it by incorporating
suggestions from referees (who also are paid from public funds, not by
the Publisher) provided there is no involvement of the Publisher's
team in producing the preprint version. So, regardless of how much
Elsevier charges for their final version, whether or not the public
research is publically released, depends on US, THE AUTHORS, not only
on the Publisher.
I do not find such transparent statements from other publishers, and I
think that many authors feel intimidated by journals' copyright
policies. How many authors can afford purchasing the Open Access
option? Those who do, are they the best authors or best-financed
authors? I see that many publications of scientific Societies and
Consortiums such as IEEE or, why search so far, our CMS, are also a
kind of "Sesame: show open" ;-)
To recapitulate this, I believe that a fundamental discussion on
public research and authors rights versus publisher's rights is due
rather than blasting one selected publisher.
Best regards,
Tomasz
--
Tomasz Kaczynski
Departement de mathematiques
Universite de Sherbrooke
Sherbrooke, Qc, Canada
Quoting Nassif Ghoussoub <nassif at math.ubc.ca>:
> Dear all,
>
> This is to inform you about a campaign to boycott Elsevier launched
> by Timothy Gowers on his blog
>
> http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/elsevier-my-part-in-its-downfall/
>
> You can participate if you wish by going to the webpage "Cost of knowledge"
>
> http://thecostofknowledge.com/
>
>
> Nassif Ghoussoub
> http://nghoussoub.com/
>
>
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